For those of you who want to see the Redwall TV series..

Live forum: http://www.thornvalley.com/commons/forum/viewtopic.php?t=640

Marilyn

13-02-2007 16:43:55

Here ya' go!

A friend of mine who runs a website for Cluny The Scourge, found all of the Redwall episodes of every season! AWESOME!

Here's the link: http://www.freewebs.com/clunyshrine/multimedia.htm[]http://www.freewebs.com/clunyshrine/multimedia.htm

Cedric

13-02-2007 19:40:54

Awesome. :D
I can't wait to see them (I've got to turn in soon).
Hope the quality is better than youtube.

Marilyn

13-02-2007 20:45:57

Awesome. :D
I can't wait to see them (I've got to turn in soon).
Hope the quality is better than youtube.


It is youtube, but it's surprisingly good. ;)

Jayn

13-02-2007 22:05:56

Say this could be a far out coincidence but have you notice that King Sparra's amulet is the same as Brisby's.. I just noticed that..

Cedric

14-02-2007 16:17:26

Well, at least it saves me the trouble of long searches on youtube.

Backwoods

14-02-2007 22:40:45

Hmm. A well drawn animation. The vocals and the dialog aren't my favorite, but I suppose it is a child oriented series after all. The artistry looks familiar, but I can't put my finger on it. Who made the series?

A good set of books from a time in my life where I was looking for some light hearted reading: boy did I miss that mark.
Backwoods

A.J. The Echidna

15-02-2007 14:07:53

I ws a huge fan of te series when it was on T.V. and to know I can see it on YouTube makes me feel alright. Tim Curry was very well chosen as the voice of Slagar.

Zohar

16-02-2007 10:18:29

Youtube links. I could have told you that about a month and a half ago. :P

leejakobson

16-02-2007 10:22:21

this gets me to woder if it is illegal are you sure this is not breaking copy right laws?

Jayn

16-02-2007 11:43:06

If someone is gonna hae a problem they will and most likely will demand removal but for now enjoy them..

Cedric

16-02-2007 14:58:14

I've known about youtube having those for about 3 months now (at least the third season).

Tzolkin

16-02-2007 19:12:22

this gets me to woder if it is illegal are you sure this is not breaking copy right laws?


I say bah in this particular case. Corporations should never be allowed to copyright anything since with them its not about getting credit for the work, but about siphoning more money out of people, not to mention how aggressive they are getting, to the point of bending those laws to restrict freedom and fair use to fill their wallets.

Additionally, the fact that they broadcast the series on TV unofficially granted license to the general public to record, copy and distribute it for noncommercial purposes (fair use). Or at least that's my take on it, otherwise there'd be thousands of schools across the US getting sued.

I have heard that MPAA is wishing to add some kind of broadcast flag to remove our ability to record TV shows in order to make us pay to buy the series on video. All I can say is it would be a sad day when corporate intellectual property rights win out over the Constitution.

--Tzol

Jayn

16-02-2007 21:03:10

Yea I agree, they keep deleting things off of Youtube all the time all for the copy right. Now someone did put up NIMH and I belive MGM demanded it romoved, not sure what happened to the guy, think his acount was sespended but not sure..

Cedric

16-02-2007 21:49:20

Why would someone sue a school in this conversation?
For recording shows, it's the residential and individual sections that are the real culprits. Even I confess to recording Mythbusters and other shows all the time on my VCR (which I am looking to replace in the near future). Besides, the thing with copywrights is they only last a short while, much like patents, if I remember correctly. Once the copywright is expired, the company can either a) request to renew the copywright, or b) let it go and allow the general public to do what they will.

On the MPAA, I have heard several stupid new policies people are trying to start. I hear that the AMA is calling to have all movies with smoking references to be rated R. Now that is just wrong. There are kids movies out there, where at least one character smokes (case in point: Carface in All Dogs go to Heaven). And yet, I don't see many 5-10 year-olds walking around smoking a pack a day. Some rules are irresponsible. And some are just plain greedy and wrong.

Jayn

16-02-2007 22:56:34

I have to agree with Cedric, I think that "Redwall"'s copy right had espired amd since it seem to have disappeared I prtty sure no one really owns it.

Well there is Brian Jacobs but I don't think he'd care..

Zohar

17-02-2007 07:36:24

this gets me to woder if it is illegal are you sure this is not breaking copy right laws?


I say bah in this particular case. Corporations should never be allowed to copyright anything since with them its not about getting credit for the work, but about siphoning more money out of people, not to mention how aggressive they are getting, to the point of bending those laws to restrict freedom and fair use to fill their wallets.



They also copyright the material to prevent competing studios or publishers from using it.

Tzolkin

17-02-2007 10:26:14

Can I not make one posting of my opinions without it being ripped apart by several different people? Honestly... feels like the members of the forum have some sort of vendetta.

The point of my argument was this: -Corporations- should not own copyrights. They are artificial entities, not people. People are the ones that copyright was made to protect, and the rights to something should stay with those individuals, not a faceless name with no other purpose than to profit.

The botton line, I.. do.. not.. care.. if some arrogant jerk in a suit and tie cannot buy yet another penthouse because a series which they broadcast on -public television- is being distributed on the internet for free. The people didn't have to pay to watch it the first time, so they shouldn't have to pay to watch the reruns..

As long as credit is given where it's due, then what's the big deal?

I hope my position is a bit more clear now.....

--Tzol

Simon

17-02-2007 11:16:12

Hmm...

There's a lot of sides to this issue, I'd say. I don't think I'd agree with a complete ban of "works for hire" which corporate-assigned copyrights fall under. Trust me, if there was no financial incentive to make these things, most movie/animation studios wouldn't. They are incredibly expensive productions, and I would say that it's fair that they get compensation for the effort.

On the other hand, I definitely don't agree with the recent erosion of fair use (the ability to time-shift, place-shift, keep backups, play on any device, etc) that is enforced by draconian laws such as the DMCA. I also don't agree with the extensions to copyright that have been consistently passed over the years. No one, especially not corporations, should have the right to lock up a piece of work for 90 years. I mean, Disney was /built/ on the public domain (for instance), and it frustrates me that they take and give nothing back. In fact, the most recent extension of copyright was called the "Mickey Mouse Protection Act" by some, since copyright on some of Disney's older Mickey cartoons was about to expire.

Where does YouTube fall into this? I'm not sure. I don't necessarily support the posting of copyrighted material there, especially since the Redwall DVDs are available for a not unreasonable cost[=http://snipurl.com/1ajpg]available for a not unreasonable cost. By buying them, you could probably even make the argument that you're supporting companies that do work for public television--which, believe me, is /not/ where the big money is made, usually. There's a reason they hold all those pledge drives. On the other hand, there are a lot of things posted to YouTube that are copyrighted, but are just otherwise almost completely unavailable. For instance, I was able to find all four seasons of ReBoot (a CGI cartoon series) there, which only has some out-of-print DVDs[=http://snipurl.com/1ajpp]out-of-print DVDs floating around for exorbitant sums of money, and even then, only from seasons 3 and 4.

I do think that there definitely needs to be some copyright reform. For instance, one idea that I would love to see be made into law is to grant automatic copyrights (such as are granted now) to a work for a limited time, say about 50 years (which would keep us in line with the Berne Convention), and then after that require companies that wish to extend their copyrights on a work to register for the extension (with a fairly decent fee which could go to benefit public-domain works or something) within the last 5 years of a copyright expiring, with a limit of say 100 years total on the length of a copyright. That would allow a great majority of works which are not really money-makers anymore to flow back into the public domain, while still satisfying those companies that for whatever reason, don't want their works to fall out of copyright.

Here's some additional links to places that might be interesting for all of you:
http://www.lessig.org/blog/archives/EAFAQ.html
http://eldred.cc/
http://www.lessig.org/blog/
http://creativecommons.org/
http://defectivebydesign.org/en/blog/ten_things_for_oct3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryXDhXqR-SE

Cedric

17-02-2007 16:37:55

In spite of the fact I can watch them for free on Youtube, I would prefer to buy the DVDs. Not that I have anything against youtube, but the DVDs probably give a lot better video quality and no constant stopping.

VictorDTarsus

17-02-2007 21:23:18

I am Canadian as most of you may already know, the animated Redwall series was created by a Canadian company called Nelvana which is a part of the Corus Entertainment Inc.

I just visited their website at http://www.nelvana.com and it seems that their official Redwall site is down. A dead site could mean as mentioned before, that Nelvana Animation's lease on the Redwall copyright is up.

Jayn

17-02-2007 23:17:22

I do have a feeling someone will renew the copyright just to claim it and get it off Youtube.. and as far as it being on Youtube, I am happy it is on there for I don't have the dvds and and so I can watched it from start to end. someone else posted the Mortal Kombat series on Youtube and I think it is still there..

VictorDTarsus

18-02-2007 11:13:38

Here in Canada there is a childrens/teen entertainment company known as Corus Entertainment Inc who have a channel called YTV broad casted coast-to-coast here in Canada. I wanted to watch the Redwall series, but missed way too many episodes to really make any sense of it, but now I have watched every single episode on YouTube. Watch it now before either Nelvana renews their copyright or someone else picks it up. Its a worth while watch for sure.

Cedric

18-02-2007 15:48:47

I am familiar with Nelvana. They have created several other series that I like or have grown on me. The Magic School Bus, Cyberchase, etc. So I've come to expect quality work from them. I've seen poor quality Redwall episodes on youtube before, but only because my internet connection was less than what we paid for (and no decent tech support).

Simon

18-02-2007 16:23:52

I am familiar with Nelvana. They have created several other series that I like or have grown on me. The Magic School Bus, Cyberchase, etc. So I've come to expect quality work from them. I've seen poor quality Redwall episodes on youtube before, but only because my internet connection was less than what we paid for (and no decent tech support).


I've watched season 1 and season 3 of the Redwall series (which corresponds to the books "Redwall" and "Martin the Warrior", respectively), and I thought they did a rather good job. Certainly, the animation isn't at the level of NIMH's animation, but I think that's to be expected, since there was quite a bit more animation to do in terms of running time than an average movie, and I doubt they had nearly the same budget either. However, the animation isn't what really carried it for me, it was the story and the character acting, both in terms of voices and animation. It made you care about the story, and didn't flinch when it came to subjects such as death, war or pain, generally speaking. I actually own the DVD of the "Martin the Warrior" season, since that's my favorite story of all the books he's written, I'd say.

VictorDTarsus

19-02-2007 00:29:45

The same thing happened to the TV series adaptation of Watership Down, it was low budget and sucked. I am a fan of the theatrical release of Watership Down because it is not your average animated film, its rated PG for graphic gory violence. There was another animated film by the same production company called The Plague Dogs was especially good for its reference to animal mistreatment in government run research facilities.

Check out Richard Adams work as a book author, he is pretty good.

Cedric

19-02-2007 17:31:17

I saw the DVD set of Mattimeo the day before my latest birthday. As it turned out, that was my favorite book in the series thus far (and still is). I didn't get it though. I did leave the store with a Nintendo DS and two games (I did say it was the day before my birthday).

Cedric

24-02-2007 16:44:41

Actually, I still am a fan of the Magic School Bus and Cyberchase (just not to the extent I once was). One thing I learned from those shows, was that making mistakes was the best way to learn. So even if I do screw up everything I do, I learn from it. Like joining NIMHmuck. I ultimately regretted doing it, but it was the learning experience that counts. And given the opportunity to change my past life, I would have still joined for the experience.
What I mean is, Nelvana is a good company that has provided a lot of quality television shows. I can expect no less from Redwall.

VictorDTarsus

25-02-2007 14:58:44

Cyberchase? Holy moly! I remember that stuff on CBC Saturday Morning Cartoons.