"Nobody Cares"

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HolyArrow

02-11-2005 21:02:52

ATM I am not in my best mood because of a usual routine.

Why does majority have to win all the time???
If I care about a fact but not everybody else, then the fact automatically becomes worthless...
If my opinions are not the same as everybody else's, my opinion is worthless.

Someone told me that to be part of the community, you have to try stick with the majority (if I am getting what he said correctly)

So if I'm different from everybody else will I be a worthless and/or pointless person?

Tortillian

03-11-2005 08:00:21

Umm...? I agree that we should all be active in our communities, and we should be neither conformist nor non-conformist (blindly or foolishly), but I'm of the persuasion that holding true to a conviction means you end up getting persecuted in some way or another no matter where you go.

The idea is not that you're a worthless/pointless person. Just understand that because you are not a part of their grand scheme in ideology or standing, you're not likely to be well reresented... at all. Like a conservative Christian in a liberal fine arts college; you're more likely to get pelted with rotten fruit and snide jeers than receive a kind nod or an agreeable gesture. Ultimately, don't expect them to go out of their way to support you or your beliefs when they aren't their own beliefs. This is an opportunistic and self-serving world. I wouldn't expect much in the ways of self-sacrificing character.

And... the majority is supposed to "win" all the time becuase it represents the majority. I don't know if you've studied the history of Argentina (I know, kinda obscure), but the whole reason the Peron adminstration succeded is because both Juan Peron and Eva Duarte Peron were the first people in a long time to actually claim advocacy for the majority. Granted, they had a history for also suppressing uprisings brutally. Still, they subjected themselves to a democratic vote because they wanted to be sure the largest group of people got the representation they needed. It would be highly unethical and anarchial to provide for the needs of the minority first. :?

Hmm... I know for a fact that you don't have to agree with the majority to be helpful in the society. There are ways to serve (if you really want to serve) the society or the community that don't require your political or religious standing for admission.

When you get persecuted or find yourself alone, it's an ideal time to view yourself for faults and check your stance based on what others claim about it in a negative light. This is not only necessary for personal growth, but it displays a maturity that will eventually draw the attention of those in a position to provide toward you.

I'm not at all sure what your situation is as far as specifics, but I can attest to the fact that, from a conservative Christian's standpoint, you end up getting the brunt for mistakes and foolish choices other would-be Christians have made regardless of whether or not you have any ties to them or even agree with them. In my situation, it's best to believe what you believe for your own benefit, count it as a personal conviction (which means it's not something you demand of others, only yourself), maintain silence until others ask you your oppinion (and they'll only do that if you work hard and have a good attitude regardless of your stance), and generally let them do the best they can. A big problem with the character of society today is thinking government has to provide for all our needs. Simply put, it will never be able to do that in any acceptable capacity. Even communist societies couldn't get that down.

Generally, accept that some days you're the pigeon, and some days you're the statue. :wink:

mal

05-01-2006 11:04:24

Hah! I am so non-conformist inmany ways hat I will probably never truly belong anywhere.

But I can tell you right now that anybody who claims that true worth is only attainable through adherence to a majority must prefer the company of sheep over people.

Not that sheep are bad...

Tortillian

17-01-2006 07:39:58

Hah! I am so non-conformist inmany ways hat I will probably never truly belong anywhere.

But I can tell you right now that anybody who claims that true worth is only attainable through adherence to a majority must prefer the company of sheep over people.

Not that sheep are bad...


Hehe, sheep are cool... and stupid, and dirty. And goats are similar. Yesh.

Tod

08-02-2006 20:12:20

If a thousand people say a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing.
-Unknown
the only difference is that people will not see it as a foolish thing and there fore they will go with it as a good idea.
Put it to you this way, i am neither the member of a majority or a minority, unless you count population statistics, which i won't go into. I never really took a strong stand for or against anything without first giving the other side a chance to prove themselves. Essentially, i walk the line. I rarely ever find myself on one side of an argument or another, i'm usually the referee in between. What i'm getting at is that the majority can and often is wrong, because they make decisions based on emotion and preferences, not hard fact. The beauty of it is that you have the right to not agree with them, even if they don't like it.
I have never been a really popular person, but i have also never been on the recieving end of all the criticizm. Most of the time i find it more benificial to keep my mouth shut, smile, make a smart aleck comment about the way they're dressed, and walk away. Just because there are more of them than there are of you doesn't mean you have to agree. That's my take on things.

By the way, there's nothing wrong with being a conservative christian. I'm not one, but my mother and sister are. The only real problem is when you try and preach to an unwilling crowd, or person, who could care less. Generally your best bet is to make your stance known, without coming off as arrogant, and then stick to what you say. Nothing undermines you more quickly than hypocracy, trust me. Shakespeare said it best:
"Do not, as some ungracious pastiors do, show me the steep and thorny path to heaven, whiles like a puffed and reckless libertine, the primrose path of dalliance treads, and recks not his own reed."
Hamlet, act 1, scene 3.
I would rather know an honest pagan than a lying priest. At least you can trust the pagan.